one mom said to me in michigan, that's four months of groceries. that's commuting back and forth to work in gas for up to three years. i mean, that's a lot of money. i really do think even though there's great divides about the role of the wealthy in the country and whether she should be part of the solution, i do think that i'm optimistic we can come together to protect 98% of the public and 97% of small businesses. >> before 2013? >> yes. >> before 2013. >> i've actually always been hopeful despite the landscape. i mean, i do think, though, there's common ground around extending tax cuts for 98% of americans. that's common ground, extending unemployment is common ground. so i hope that we'll come to that point on january 1st and that this is what the president has laid out all along and what democrats have supported. it will take a lot of democratic votes in the house to get there. it's going to be bipartisan, but it will take an aawful lot of democrat to support this proposal. >> i'm not as optimistic. if we vilify a small group of people and ra